Why We Won't Avoid a Double-Dip Recession
An Uncomfortable Choice
As our family grew, we limited the choices our seven kids could make; but as they grew into teenagers, they were given more leeway. Not all of their choices were good. Yet how do you teach them that bad choices have bad consequences? You can lecture, you can be a role model; but in the end you have to let them make their own decisions.
I’ve watched good kids from good families make bad choices, and kids with seemingly no chance make good choices. And one thing I’ve observed: Very few teenagers make the hard choice without some outside encouragement or some help in understanding the known consequences from some source. They nearly always opt for the choice that involves the most fun and/or the least immediate pain, and then learn later that they now have to make yet another choice as a consequence of the original one. And thus they grow up.
What Were We Thinking?As a culture, the current mix of generations, especially in the US, have made some choices, some of which, in hindsight, leave the adult in us asking, "What were we thinking?"
In a way, we were like teenagers. We made the easy choice, not thinking of the consequences. We never absorbed the lessons of the Depression from our grandparents. We quickly forgot the sobering malaise of the '70s as the bull market of the '80s and '90s gave us the illusion of wealth and an easy future. Even the crash of Black Friday seemed a mere bump on the path to success, passing so quickly. And as interest rates came down and money became easier, our propensity to acquire things took over.
And then something really bad happened: Our homes started to rise in value and we learned through new methods of financial engineering that we could borrow against what seemed like their ever-rising value to finance consumption today.
We became Blimpie from the Popeye cartoons of our youth: "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."
The lay-away programs of our parents -- where they patiently paid something each week or month until the desired object could be taken home – weren’t for us. Come to think of it, I’m not sure if my kids (ages 15-32) have ever heard of lay-away with credit cards so easy to obtain. Next family brunch, I will explain this quaint concept, though I’ve heard it’s making a comeback.
As a banking system, we made choices. We created all sorts of readily available credit, and packaged it in convenient, irresistible AAA-rated securities and sold them to a gullible world. We created liar loans, no-money-down loans, and no-documentation loans and expected them to act the same way that mortgages had in the past. What were the rating agencies thinking? Where were the adults supervising the sand box?
(Oh, wait a minute. That's the same group of regulators who now want more power and money.)It’s not as if all this was done in some back alley by seedy-looking characters. This was done on TV and in books and advertisements. I remember the first time I saw an ad telling me to call this number to borrow up to 125% of the value of my home, and wondering how this could be a good idea.
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Great article.
Last week Mish posted an article by Prof. Steve Keen. This Australian professor calculated the effect of debt deleveraging on GDP:
"In the first year (2009) when debt started at 165% of GDP, a 4% reduction in debt levels is equivalent to a 6% reduction in GDP; the size of this hit then falls as the debt to GDP ratio itself falls" and "If we rely upon the “natural maximum” process of deleveraging, we face a 30 year period in which changes in debt will cut at least 3% from the growth potential of the economy"
-You can argue the numbers, the timing, and the models, but it is quite clear why the "berries" are so desperate to reflate the bubble (a 20% chance?).
Now even more fun. IF (a big if) peak oil hits in 2011,13,15 (recession to push out to 12-15?) then you get:
-Further major debt destruction, at a debt destruction+oil rate
-Further major hit to GDP, till a new even lower normal
-High prices for food, fuel
I hope this is not going to happen!
But there are real probabilities that they will, so I am taking the hope for the best, but prepare for the worst attitude.
All speculation.
I'd be interested to see how you adjust your predictions when you add in the reality of peak oil (and with it, peak food).
I'd be further interested to see how you adjust your predictions according to the growing possibility of global cooling
(please research "sunspots" and "The Maunder Minimum".)
Interesting question is at what rate will oil production start to drop per year?
Also what happens when that Kenyan Ug99 wheat rust hits Pakistan and India (it has reached Iran) and then China.
Also assuming a 20 trillion debt in a decade, and 6% instead of 3.09% interest, that would be about 60% of national budget. WIthout rosy 4% growth, more than 60%. 70%, 80%?
What do you do with the 20-40% that is left?
Does the gov default then?
My thinking on this is two fold.
First, no one can predict the future with certainty.
Second, we now have an economy with some Major forks in the road ahead.
Fork #1:
The debt/GDP fork. The Australian economist said we have a 20% chance of reflating the bubble(don't quote me, watch his video on Mishs' site). If we reflate, then we crash later.
If we can't reflate than we have the sustained deleveraging he mentions
Fork#2:
If you go down the deleveraging path (Japan), how long do you go down it? For the full Japanese experience? Or do you at some point do a major dollar devaluation? Do your creditors pull the plug beforehand?
Fork#3:
We did hit a plateau in oil production in 2005-2008. Now we have reduced demand and an excess of oil. So in my opinion, the retest of the plateau will be critical. Can more oil be produced, or is that it?
I don't pretend to know the answers(or even timing), but I am frustrated that the berries have gotten us into these situations. Never a more critical time to become financially and socially aware.
Johnny Lunchbox
JPM
Johnny Lunch box
JPM
1) "...there's the investment industry that tells their clients that stocks earn 8% a year real returns. Even as stocks have gone nowhere for ten years, we largely believe (or at least hope) that the latest trend is just the beginning of the next bull market...." -
seems apprapo currently, with any rise in the market being used by many at cnbc (and other mass media) to prove the powerless of any attempt at a correction (which is also a good by-pass for the notion that any renewed downturn, might be more than just that...)
2) the deficit projected for social security would be non-existent if the contributions of millions of working americans for decades and lifetimes had not been allowed by our own elected officials to be used for other budget and off-budget items (wars, etc)
reneging on this social promise, to people who placed their trust on required contributions, will not allow much else to be able to be done...
3) ok, a third point; i agree with john and todd and many others, we will, muddle or otherwise, survive this, and thrive once again, with opportunities and technologies and innovations that'll make my heart sing -
til then though, i better just hum ;-)
I hope my AIG puts work out......lol.

















