Why We Won't Avoid a Double-Dip Recession

By John Mauldin Aug 31, 2009 9:00 am
No matter what choices we make, the outcome will be the same.
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We’ve arrived at this particular economic moment in time by the choices we’ve made, which now leave us with choices in our future that will be neither easy, nor convenient, nor comfortable. Sometimes there are just no good choices, only less-bad ones. In this week's letter, we look at what some of those choices might be, and ponder their possible consequences. Are we headed for a double-dip recession? Read on.

An Uncomfortable Choice

As our family grew, we limited the choices our seven kids could make; but as they grew into teenagers, they were given more leeway. Not all of their choices were good. Yet how do you teach them that bad choices have bad consequences? You can lecture, you can be a role model; but in the end you have to let them make their own decisions.

I’ve watched good kids from good families make bad choices, and kids with seemingly no chance make good choices. And one thing I’ve observed: Very few teenagers make the hard choice without some outside encouragement or some help in understanding the known consequences from some source. They nearly always opt for the choice that involves the most fun and/or the least immediate pain, and then learn later that they now have to make yet another choice as a consequence of the original one. And thus they grow up.

What Were We Thinking?


As a culture, the current mix of generations, especially in the US, have made some choices, some of which, in hindsight, leave the adult in us asking, "What were we thinking?"

In a way, we were like teenagers. We made the easy choice, not thinking of the consequences. We never absorbed the lessons of the Depression from our grandparents. We quickly forgot the sobering malaise of the '70s as the bull market of the '80s and '90s gave us the illusion of wealth and an easy future. Even the crash of Black Friday seemed a mere bump on the path to success, passing so quickly. And as interest rates came down and money became easier, our propensity to acquire things took over.

And then something really bad happened: Our homes started to rise in value and we learned through new methods of financial engineering that we could borrow against what seemed like their ever-rising value to finance consumption today.

We became Blimpie from the Popeye cartoons of our youth: "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."

The lay-away programs of our parents -- where they patiently paid something each week or month until the desired object could be taken home – weren’t for us. Come to think of it, I’m not sure if my kids (ages 15-32) have ever heard of lay-away with credit cards so easy to obtain. Next family brunch, I will explain this quaint concept, though I’ve heard it’s making a comeback.

As a banking system, we made choices. We created all sorts of readily available credit, and packaged it in convenient, irresistible AAA-rated securities and sold them to a gullible world. We created liar loans, no-money-down loans, and no-documentation loans and expected them to act the same way that mortgages had in the past. What were the rating agencies thinking? Where were the adults supervising the sand box?

(Oh, wait a minute. That's the same group of regulators who now want more power and money.)

It’s not as if all this was done in some back alley by seedy-looking characters. This was done on TV and in books and advertisements. I remember the first time I saw an ad telling me to call this number to borrow up to 125% of the value of my home, and wondering how this could be a good idea.
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2009-08-31 10:21:57
Wimpy
think you meant Wimpy vs Blimpie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tashk4iD0Vw
2009-08-31 11:02:06
AMEN
Great article that needs to be read by all of our elected officials.
2009-08-31 11:29:11
Very Optimistic
The assumption is that lessons will be learned and Marxists won't use the next recession to cement their power. The electorate can indeed change things... as long as there are elections. Marxists are not in favor of elections.
2009-08-31 12:05:00
Recession
What would be the consequence of say a ten year recession with negative 3-4% growth every year? As a nation longer capable of taking care of it's self that would appesr to be on the horizon. If anyone would start a grass roots effort to remove the Government as it now is, I would make it my patriotic duty, even to the point of losing my life in the fight, to join the cause. It is as simple choice. A strong, productive nation, or a nation of babies in diapers.
2009-08-31 12:18:30
It ain't me babe...
I would argue with you if you were wrong,I can't ( I think you are sugar-coating the future).Where will the adults come from ? We need extremely knowledgeable people like yourself (to lead us , but why would you (or others like you) enter politics ,take a huge pay hit, and deal with with all the crying from the teenagers?
2009-08-31 12:39:23
We can have both....
high interest rates and high unemployment.Intererst rates will go sharply higher even as the dollar continues it's decline. Sooner rather than later we will come to the realization that we must sharply cut military spending,As we repatriate our solders ,where are they going to find jobs? Rates will climb, as the Treasury will continue to feed at the Chinese buffet until the weight of the slop collapses the tables. Bernanke is alledgedly the depression expert , but I don't think he read "the art of war".The Chinese have us right where they want us,weak and vulnerable;and they never fired a shot.We are the common stock shareholders and the Chinese are preferred bondholders.We have all seen how this movie ends......
2009-08-31 13:14:28
GDP Hits
John,
Great article.
Last week Mish posted an article by Prof. Steve Keen. This Australian professor calculated the effect of debt deleveraging on GDP:
"In the first year (2009) when debt started at 165% of GDP, a 4% reduction in debt levels is equivalent to a 6% reduction in GDP; the size of this hit then falls as the debt to GDP ratio itself falls" and "If we rely upon the “natural maximum” process of deleveraging, we face a 30 year period in which changes in debt will cut at least 3% from the growth potential of the economy"
-You can argue the numbers, the timing, and the models, but it is quite clear why the "berries" are so desperate to reflate the bubble (a 20% chance?).

Now even more fun. IF (a big if) peak oil hits in 2011,13,15 (recession to push out to 12-15?) then you get:
-Further major debt destruction, at a debt destruction+oil rate
-Further major hit to GDP, till a new even lower normal
-High prices for food, fuel

I hope this is not going to happen!

But there are real probabilities that they will, so I am taking the hope for the best, but prepare for the worst attitude.

All speculation.
2009-08-31 20:19:36
irmageddos
I found this a well-written, straight-forward account, as far as it goes.
I'd be interested to see how you adjust your predictions when you add in the reality of peak oil (and with it, peak food).
I'd be further interested to see how you adjust your predictions according to the growing possibility of global cooling
(please research "sunspots" and "The Maunder Minimum".)
2009-09-01 11:58:56
GDP Hits
Peak oil happened in 2005. Actually more of a plateau to 2008, given oil price increase yet to ALMOST being able to match 2005 which means OPEC has no spare capacity left.

Interesting question is at what rate will oil production start to drop per year?

Also what happens when that Kenyan Ug99 wheat rust hits Pakistan and India (it has reached Iran) and then China.

Also assuming a 20 trillion debt in a decade, and 6% instead of 3.09% interest, that would be about 60% of national budget. WIthout rosy 4% growth, more than 60%. 70%, 80%?

What do you do with the 20-40% that is left?

Does the gov default then?
2009-09-01 12:39:33
GDP Hits
Allyn,

My thinking on this is two fold.
First, no one can predict the future with certainty.
Second, we now have an economy with some Major forks in the road ahead.

Fork #1:
The debt/GDP fork. The Australian economist said we have a 20% chance of reflating the bubble(don't quote me, watch his video on Mishs' site). If we reflate, then we crash later.
If we can't reflate than we have the sustained deleveraging he mentions

Fork#2:
If you go down the deleveraging path (Japan), how long do you go down it? For the full Japanese experience? Or do you at some point do a major dollar devaluation? Do your creditors pull the plug beforehand?

Fork#3:
We did hit a plateau in oil production in 2005-2008. Now we have reduced demand and an excess of oil. So in my opinion, the retest of the plateau will be critical. Can more oil be produced, or is that it?

I don't pretend to know the answers(or even timing), but I am frustrated that the berries have gotten us into these situations. Never a more critical time to become financially and socially aware.
2009-09-01 21:28:21
two ply buck
With 600 trillion in derivatives we are fast coming to a day when a zillion will be in our vocabulary. I'm still trying to get a handle on a trillion which is 1000 times a billion. Our deficits when Clinton left office were around 280 billion and we all thought the oscillator was going fecal. Now after eight years of the conservative Republicans leadership we have 9.5 trillion in debt which left us cliff diving like it was an Olympic sport. Obama tossed out a few trillion into the abyss to cushion the fall for all Americans and it seems to be working temporarily and for many we are back to pretending. If we pretend long enough maybe we can sort out and rework the world economy back to some sort of reality. But if a zillion ever hits the front pages you better hope by then the buck is two ply and soft cause it won't be worth much for anything else.

Johnny Lunchbox

JPM
2009-09-01 21:34:08
Hopes for Hyper inflation
Seems to me we hyper inflated everything we can given that a million bucks is just chump change these days.

Johnny Lunch box

JPM
2009-09-05 00:22:10
finally got to read this -
so glad i finally found the time to read john's article; and with so many great important points, hard to pick which to point out, so i'll just go with the two that appeal to me most at this moment (the importance of an item changes with the days ;-)

1) "...there's the investment industry that tells their clients that stocks earn 8% a year real returns. Even as stocks have gone nowhere for ten years, we largely believe (or at least hope) that the latest trend is just the beginning of the next bull market...." -

seems apprapo currently, with any rise in the market being used by many at cnbc (and other mass media) to prove the powerless of any attempt at a correction (which is also a good by-pass for the notion that any renewed downturn, might be more than just that...)

2) the deficit projected for social security would be non-existent if the contributions of millions of working americans for decades and lifetimes had not been allowed by our own elected officials to be used for other budget and off-budget items (wars, etc)

reneging on this social promise, to people who placed their trust on required contributions, will not allow much else to be able to be done...

3) ok, a third point; i agree with john and todd and many others, we will, muddle or otherwise, survive this, and thrive once again, with opportunities and technologies and innovations that'll make my heart sing -

til then though, i better just hum ;-)
2009-09-06 12:50:57
Storm approaching
This bear market rally is now the longest in history and the P/E values of the S&P are just insane! Like an elastic band, the longer this faux rally stretches, the more it's gonna hurt everyone when it snaps back. With 30-40% of entire volume of the Dow Jones being sustained by pure dog-food stocks (AIG, Citi, Fannie, Freddie, BAC) - one would suspect a massive storm on the horizon. September and October should be interesting.....
I hope my AIG puts work out......lol.
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