Has the S&P Topped?

By Sushil Kedia May 06, 2009 11:00 am
Is this just the illusion of an ongoing rally?
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Below is the hourly bar chart of the S&P Index futures near contract. The pattern into new highs regularly ensconced inside a rising channel provides the illusion of a ongoing rally. Atop are various Demark readings on the daily chart that create a prospective top here today.


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The chart is an Elliot Wave stab on the same. The big drop to 822 that came in a 5-wave pattern is the key to this chart. That drop was the wave c of a larger degree flat corrective, marked as the yellow X, after completing the inner Y at that point.

From this drop of 822, this market has risen in 3 distinct legs, with the first 2 being choppy overlapping A and B waves marked in blue letters. The latest rise from the 841 area to a now clear 5-wave pattern, where today is the day for completion of the fifth of these, and of which 1,2 & 3 are definitely done.

One more high after the initial hour drop at most is where this market will go to before going and breaking all the way under the 780 area, which is where this highly under-bought rise began. The coming drop isn't marked to time scales, due to inadequate space on one screen for so much fine data. Such a sequence of no more than 2 down closes after any interim highs since the March 31 low does characterize a market that continued to rise in an under-bought state.

Tops don't happen because of selling, but because of buying exhaustion. Such an under-bought market, which rises with such an intricate inner structure of wave counts, can
continue to defer the final reversal, but today seems the deferral is not likely further without a drop into at least 862. That being the last low of the wave 5 of this latest C.

So, if this market does drop to 862 from the 2nd hour high of today, we will have to again work at finding the wave structure of this first fall. Until then, play well with this volatile rise.
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2009-05-06 11:10:23
comment and question
sushil, very interesting article, thank you!

especially liked your "under-bought" and "the illusion of a ongoing rally" wordings - nice work!

i hope you do a follow up later today or tomorrow!

also, if you do, could you elaborate a little on the last sentence in the third paragraph? re characterization of a market in an under-bought state?

thanks again,

adan
2009-05-06 11:28:30
TrendLine
Drawing a trendline from 3/30 (780) low through the 4/21 low, lands you at 862!
2009-05-06 12:41:53
Agreed that this thing will roll over at some point and at least have a meaninful correction that lasts more than a day or two.

I don't know about you guys, but the losses I have been taking trying to fight this "illusion of an ongoing rally" have been very real.
2009-05-06 13:06:23
Re-labeling of Elliott Waves retroactively
You see it time and time again in Elliott Wave analysis. If the wave count turns out to be wrong, you will just re-label the waves retroactively in order to stay faithful to the theory. See my essay refuting the underlying premise of Elliott Wave theory on Minyanville at: http://www.minyanville.com/community /blog_comments.htm?blog_id=22474. It contains some points that are similar to those that appeared on Minyanville's "Best of the Exchange" last year, but goes into greater depth. Click on my name on the left side of this comment if the link doesn't paste properly.

The original of this essay also appears on my blog at: orvinfive.blogspot.com.
-Regards
2009-05-06 19:51:40
Corrective Waves
I haven't read your essay, Orvin. I would like to see your points.

But from my perspective corrective waves are difficult to game or analyze, my like the author of this article suggest. Knowing that you are in a corrective wave is pretty much the only thing you can tell.

Mercury Retrograde starts tomorrow. But the markets' rally in the later part of today, messed up my reversal signal. But there was some strong selling early, some breakdown on the QQQQ.

Also the YEN gain alot of strength today, which I think will have an effect equities.

I've been most impressed with EWW (mexico's) strength. Ya, I'm on the wrong side; for now.
2009-05-07 00:21:30
Corrective Waves
Sure, just go to orvinfive.blogspot.com for the essay.

You are correct that the only thing we can tell is that we are "in a corrective wave". But this is identical to saying that the market has already gone (i.e. has been going) down since some arbitrary point in time in the past. The fact that an Elliotician bestows a name (A, B, C, etc.) to what has already happened does not help in forecasting anything. We could just as well call this corrective cycle "Gunther"---and then change the name later if his cousin (Luther) doesn't show up to dinner as expected. If necessary, we will even change Gunther's birthdate retroactively in order to help him find his family and give him a name...

If you want to see the essay on Minyanville, go to http://www.minyanville.com/community /blog_comments.htm?blog_id=22474, but take out the space between "community" and "/blog_comments..", since the link was too long to post without breaking it in the middle.
-Best

2009-05-07 08:32:15
Corrective Waves
Ya, I'm not sure what Luther Gunther and his birthday have to do with much. But I agree that a technique is only as good as its predictive value.

I myself follow the 3 wise men from Williams. But that is me.

One may suggest that the market is random, but I don't think so.

Elliot waves description are real, from my perspective. I've seen too many 'waves' bounce off 1.618 to think that number is just random. But nothing personal. I just like watching society make a fool of itself. There can be all the math that one wants, but with Fractional Reserve Lending and all the lies that banks put out; it is all a joke anyways.

But I know enough guys to understand that all they care about is money. I guess I'm alittle at fault also. I will read your article though, this weekend.
2009-05-07 09:24:32
Corrective Waves
Understood, thanks.

Your comment reminds me a little of physicist Richard Feynman's famous quote: "“I was walking to class today and the funniest thing happened: I saw a car with the license plate ‘ARW 357'. Can you imagine? Of all the possible license plates, what are the chances of seeing that one?”. Looking at trading patterns, you will see many bounces off of 1.618
(and 1.324, and 2.054...and so on..), but when we are trained to look for certain ratios, inevitably these are the ones that pop out at us. What would be strange is if you didn't see many bounces off of 1.618!
2009-05-07 09:32:18
strange
Ya it would be strange that
1) the belly buttton is .618 down the human body.
2) that the heart contract to .618 of its full size
3) I'm sure all numbers are the same. That is the point of numbers, right?

Today is Mercury Retrograde (May 7); but I'm sure you don't believe in star stuff either, right. Don't worry I don't care much about either way.

I could go on. But now that you say it like that. I won't read your article. B/c you seem fairly set in your view.

See how strange that one is!!

What do license plates have to do with anything? Thanks for the quote.

You must be a mathmatical genius, I never thought of it that way.

Thanks Feynman
2009-05-07 09:33:01
Corrective Waves
see above
2009-05-07 10:03:10
strange
Actually, your examples of the human heart contraction and the belly-button ratio relate to the exact topic of the essay, which is the mistaken analogy (in my view) that Elliott Wave theory draws between natural phenomena and stock index movements. In a nutshell, the numbers you mention make perfect sense in the realm of predicting an unborn baby's probable future anatomy---but not the future price of a stock index. In any event, I hope you will enjoy the article if/when you do decide to read it. -Best
2009-05-08 17:32:42
I'm sorry
but I still find the following statement terribly funny:

"The pattern into new highs regularly ensconced inside a rising channel provides the illusion of a ongoing rally."

I'd hate to see what a real rally looks like.
2009-05-09 08:34:12
I'm sorry
It's because these new highs are "ensconced" in the channel---therefore, your stock portfolio didn't really rise 35% in the last two months. Before something like that can really happen, the market technicians need to sit down and retroactively unensconce all the highs. Unensconcing is a complicated, laborious process that sometimes takes months and will require many more "illusory" moves before they even consider it.
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