What Will Signal the Bottom?

By Minyanville Staff Mar 05, 2009 2:00 pm
Looking for signs of capitulation in options indicators.
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A great many people, including myself, have been looking for signs of capitulation in options indicators such as put/calls and the CBOE Volatility Index (VIX). However, I'm now of the belief that put/calls and other readings of sentiment won't signal the bottom this time around. I believe these indicators may turn decidedly bearish after the lows are behind us and during a rebound. This may be the wall of worry necessary for a counter-trend rally.

Options traders are relatively sophisticated and most aren't brazen enough to be shorting the market at these depressed levels. That to me is explaining the lack of a spike in put/calls and the VIX. These same traders will probably be shorting into any rebound, however, and increased indications of buying puts and shorting interest may turn into a positive contrarian factor going forward.

In the meantime, I'm seeing plenty of capitulation in indicators of less “sophisticated” sentiment, such as the AAII weekly sentiment survey, where bearishness is off the charts (AAII bears are 70.27% - the highest ever) and participation is collapsing. The plain old price action is also showing capitulation.

So I'm buying here.

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2009-03-05 14:19:12
capitulation
there seems to be an odd tug 'tween not enough capitulation (of some sort) and definite signs of it

at least among the many many people on minyanville, marketwatch, cnbc, elliott wave, etc

it's interesting, and kinda encouraging, 'cause lots of people are putting a lot thought and attention to see if the last frost of (this)winter is finally passing

ew has a nice pair charts in this past wed's short term update, comparing extremes from late last yr to now in regard to the advance/decline line, trin, and the vix

i won't pretend to know their significance (each indicator), but i could fairly easily see that the intensity figures for last year are still at least a touch stronger/below those of these last few day's

that's good, if ew is correct - that we're in a fifth ending wave of a big primary wave, rather than the more intense 3rd wave late last yr

ie, the current signs of exhaustion, capitulation, etc, shouldn't be as severe as late last yr

and, an upward correction wave of primary force, "should be next"

ie, is probable (not certain)

i still think of it as when the tide is starting to go out (i grew up in houston and galveston) -

when the tide's shifting, the incoming waves can still beat you down (though not often in galveston, 'cept storms), yet you have to dig your toes into the sand 'cause the undertow's smiling slipping you a sip of sea wanting to pull you in deep

but it ain't no smile you wanna follow ;-)

the tide is turning, and you gotta hold on, 'cause it's almost over, but could get worse....

ain't that life!
2009-03-05 18:31:27
a tradeable bottom?
Elliot waves, DeMark indicators (monthly, weekly and daily) all converged today to complete their downward counts. A whoosh down tomorrow (will we touch the dreaded 666?) is expected with a subsequent turnaround, but a close on SPX still below 735 (probably below 720). I'm looking for a >10% spike in the VIX to confirm, and will not trust any rally if I don't see it.
2009-03-05 21:45:17
capitulation / brownsville
the surf's much stronger down there by south padre, only went there a few times, and was surprised how the slightly deeper quicker drop (vs galveston's extended shelf into the gulf) produced such intense wave breaks and rip tides (we'd visit family there; was born there, and moved with my dad and mom and younger brother when i was three to houston)

re indicators, seems (as a guess) exhaustion's so severe, a pointed news item, like altering mark-to-market (or fixing the cds', or sending each family a share of that stimulus, to let us decide how to spend our own money ) - might be the burst to wake up to ;-)

any chance you might do an article re the vix and options? option info is currently my fab financial diet of choice....

and right now, since i just started w/options, i'm on a restricted menu of covered calls ;-)
2009-03-05 23:42:41
a tradeable bottom?
Right you are, and I take your point about "the indications everyone is looking for" very much to heart. Since everyone is wanting the classic signs of a bottom, we will not be likely to see all of them. The VIX is "expected" to give a 20% or more spike at "The Bottom", which is why I want merely 10%. However, as long as people are NOT buying put protection in droves, we can expect to continue downward. We keep blowing past every line of resistance but the VIX has risen only marginally. At least today it bested a 5% move, and the premiums in the SRS went through the roof this afternoon. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, since the SRS is hardly a broad indicator, but suggestive.

"This time is different" - famous last words. EVERY other major bottom, VIX has spiked. I'll be very glad if this is a bottom without a VIX spike, and am ready for that, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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