Two Ways: Grim Job Numbers Suggest Recession Is Here to Stay

By Terry Woo Jul 02, 2009 2:50 pm
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US job losses continued to mount in June, giving more weight to the notion that any recovery from this recession will be long and arduous.

The Department of Labor said today the nation lost 467,000 jobs last month, which was significantly above consensus estimates of a loss of 350,000. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate -- already at 25-year highs -- continued to creep higher to 9.5%, but that was slightly below estimates of 9.6%.

Compounding pressures on the consumer, the average work week fell to 33 hours -- a record low, according to the Wall Street Journal.

In a separate report, new jobless claims for state unemployment benefits fell twice as much as expected last week. Continuing claims also declined, a small suggestion that there could be improvement in the labor market.

See Professor John Mauldin’s No End in Sight for Recession for more on the economy.

From the Bull Pen: Interesting response from the fertilizer stocks today. Word of Russia’s largest potash miners raising prices gave a boost to this sector. A week ago, Potash's (POT) stock tanked after the company issued downside guidance. 

So what we're seeing here is what a company expects versus what other companies are actually doing. I'll let the market decide this one, but bulls who believe the selling is done can consider Potash; a sell stop can be set 2% below entry.

From the Bear Cave: Regarding the jobs numbers, Professor Tom Fant had this to say:

“The employment situation continues to deteriorate. I would point out a couple things inside the worse than expected headline number. Net revisions to prior months were essentially flat. Temporary help declined 38,000, which removes the hope we got from the flattish number last month that things might be looking up.

"The dreaded birth/death adjustment added 185,000 jobs (up 12.1% yoy) including 87,000 jobs in leisure/hospitality. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions as to the feasibility of adding jobs in that industry right now. Also Initial Unemployment Claims topped 600,000 for the twenty-second consecutive week.”


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2009-07-02 15:42:08
Jobs Data Sparks Stimulus Questions
This jobs data sparks a thought. Do we need to rethink this stimulus?

Here is the issue:

Now all of that might make some sense if we had been spending Stimulus l but so
far official estimates put the money out the door at about 10% of what's been
appropriated. That of course leads one to the conclusion that maybe we need to
rethink the whole thing. If it's that hard for the government to spend money then
perhaps we just need to put it in the hands of people that know how to go about
doing that. I'm referring to the American consumer, of course.

Check out more of this thought at www.theoxengroup.com

David Ristau
President, The Oxen Group
2009-07-02 16:10:45
Jobs Data Sparks Stimulus Questions
David,

I my opinion, it is never hard for government ("Berries") to spend money. The real problem is they can't tell the difference between spending and investing. And this is because they are listening to lobbyists. Corn based ethanol is a great example.
It would be very easy for other people to come up with an investment list.
For example, we could use:

-About 50+ new nuclear plant
-Thousands of miles of transmission lines
-Roads and bridges that are crumbling, to be fixed
-Money into research and development (energy, biotech, communications, transportation...), to start new industries and new directions within old
-A leaner , meaner financial system
...

2009-07-02 18:10:26
Russia increas price for potash
Did you read bloomberg report? Price for Russian KCl(potassium chloride) will increase from $127 to $152/ton…. Potash Corp. sold their KCl in the 2009 first quarter at an average price of $600/ton. Do you think the news is very exciting? Nothing to justify a 7% increase today in the stock price of Potash Corp...If Potash Corp begin to sold their potash at this price do you think their stock price will justify $97/share? Report complete data when you write your article instead of fooling investors….
Sylvain
Montréal
2009-07-03 11:06:43
Russia increas price for potash
fool investors?!!?!?!? What do you think my motivation is? I see these agriculture/fertilizer stocks headed higher. And on this particular idea, i'm putting my money where my mouth is. Thanks for the info but it doesn't change anything. You can have two data points and think the market should always directly correlate within those boundaries like a perfect machine, or you can listen to what the market is saying.
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