This Is Not the Sustainable Bull Market of 1982
By Prieur du Plessis Oct 29, 2009 8:40 am
Conditions are drastically different in 2009.
I concluded a post on stock markets over the weekend saying: “After equities’ seven-month climb, stock markets certainly look vulnerable for a decline. Two downside reversal days -- on Wednesday and Friday -- would seem to indicate that stocks could commence a pullback to work off the overbought condition, allowing fundamentals to reassert themselves.”
Global stock markets, as well as other risky assets, closed sharply lower over the past few days as concerns mounted over the sustainability of the global economic recovery and the outlook for central bank policy.
The performance of the major asset classes is summarized by the charts below, with the top one showing the period from the March 9 stock market lows until October 19 peak and the second one the subsequent period. The numbers indicate an all-change pattern in the performances as risk aversion re-entered financial markets and government bonds and the US dollar regained some favor.


A summary of the movements of major global stock markets since the March 19 peak, as well as various other measurement periods, is given in the table below.
The MSCI World Index and the MSCI Emerging Markets Index have declined by 5.3% and 6.2% respectively since the highs of October 19, with markets like Ireland (-13.2%), Brazil (-10.5%), Austria (-10.8%), and Belgium (-9.0%) falling by significantly more. Also, higher risk indices such as small caps have borne the brunt of the selling, with the Russell 2000 Index down by 9.0%. This is a pattern that one would expect as investors shift the emphasis to higher quality.

The major moving-average levels for the benchmark US indices, the BRIC countries, and South Africa (where I'm based) are given in the table below. A number of indices, including the S&P 500 Index, have fallen below their 50-day moving averages over the past few days, but all the indices are still holding above their respective 200-day moving averages. The 50-day lines are also above the 200-day lines in all instances.
The October lows are also given in the table as a break below these levels would indicate a reversal of the uptrend since March, i.e. reversing the progression of higher reaction lows.

Over the past few days a number of commentators have made pronouncements about the extent of a possible decline. For example, Jeremy Grantham (GMO) expects the S&P 500 to drop by 15% to 25%, David Rosenberg (Gluskin Sheff & Associates) sees markets falling by 20%, and Doug Kass is looking at -5% to -12%.
Global stock markets, as well as other risky assets, closed sharply lower over the past few days as concerns mounted over the sustainability of the global economic recovery and the outlook for central bank policy.
The performance of the major asset classes is summarized by the charts below, with the top one showing the period from the March 9 stock market lows until October 19 peak and the second one the subsequent period. The numbers indicate an all-change pattern in the performances as risk aversion re-entered financial markets and government bonds and the US dollar regained some favor.


A summary of the movements of major global stock markets since the March 19 peak, as well as various other measurement periods, is given in the table below.
The MSCI World Index and the MSCI Emerging Markets Index have declined by 5.3% and 6.2% respectively since the highs of October 19, with markets like Ireland (-13.2%), Brazil (-10.5%), Austria (-10.8%), and Belgium (-9.0%) falling by significantly more. Also, higher risk indices such as small caps have borne the brunt of the selling, with the Russell 2000 Index down by 9.0%. This is a pattern that one would expect as investors shift the emphasis to higher quality.

The major moving-average levels for the benchmark US indices, the BRIC countries, and South Africa (where I'm based) are given in the table below. A number of indices, including the S&P 500 Index, have fallen below their 50-day moving averages over the past few days, but all the indices are still holding above their respective 200-day moving averages. The 50-day lines are also above the 200-day lines in all instances.
The October lows are also given in the table as a break below these levels would indicate a reversal of the uptrend since March, i.e. reversing the progression of higher reaction lows.

Over the past few days a number of commentators have made pronouncements about the extent of a possible decline. For example, Jeremy Grantham (GMO) expects the S&P 500 to drop by 15% to 25%, David Rosenberg (Gluskin Sheff & Associates) sees markets falling by 20%, and Doug Kass is looking at -5% to -12%.
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2009-10-29 10:56:43
THE RECESSION IS OVER:
THE RECESSION IS OVER:
That is providing you still have your job and are not worried about losing it. That is providing you don't own a house that has lost 40% of its value. That is providing you aren't homeless. For many the recession is over and it's looking more like a depression. Pundits say that our unemployment numbers are more like 20%. I think I read somewhere that there were 160 million workers at our peak employment so if 20% is true then we would have over 30 million people out of work. Other statistics reflect on the part time employed those who skimp by on less then 30 hours a week with no benefits and minimal pay. The salvation for many was the extensions of unemployment benefits but 7000 people a day are losing their last lifeline while another 260000 a month are added as new claims.
On Wall Street many are squabbling over their million dollar bonus oblivious to the hardships they cause on main street America. Yes sir! The recession is over for many who never even noticed we were in one. But for all those who felt the brunt of this economy and are feeling the cold winds of winter set in its feeling more like the second great depression is here.
I wonder at times if perhaps I have a bad news cookie on my computer and if it's just me that see's all this bad news. I don't see anything about a chicken in every pot for the down and out but the best news I have seen lately is an un-cut chicken sale at 70 cents a pound.
I don't see a free chicken in everyone's pot in the future like the last great depression as we have long ago got over that. I do however wonder when the free tacos will start.
Best regards Minions
Johnny Lunch Box
JPM
That is providing you still have your job and are not worried about losing it. That is providing you don't own a house that has lost 40% of its value. That is providing you aren't homeless. For many the recession is over and it's looking more like a depression. Pundits say that our unemployment numbers are more like 20%. I think I read somewhere that there were 160 million workers at our peak employment so if 20% is true then we would have over 30 million people out of work. Other statistics reflect on the part time employed those who skimp by on less then 30 hours a week with no benefits and minimal pay. The salvation for many was the extensions of unemployment benefits but 7000 people a day are losing their last lifeline while another 260000 a month are added as new claims.
On Wall Street many are squabbling over their million dollar bonus oblivious to the hardships they cause on main street America. Yes sir! The recession is over for many who never even noticed we were in one. But for all those who felt the brunt of this economy and are feeling the cold winds of winter set in its feeling more like the second great depression is here.
I wonder at times if perhaps I have a bad news cookie on my computer and if it's just me that see's all this bad news. I don't see anything about a chicken in every pot for the down and out but the best news I have seen lately is an un-cut chicken sale at 70 cents a pound.
I don't see a free chicken in everyone's pot in the future like the last great depression as we have long ago got over that. I do however wonder when the free tacos will start.
Best regards Minions
Johnny Lunch Box
JPM
2009-10-29 13:27:32
THE RECESSION IS OVER:
My wife's grandmother Lucy used to tell us that the depression wasn't so bad for those who had jobs. Even while raises weren't given out prices declined and made up for it. Her grandfather George on the other side told us stories of what it was like if you had no job, it was much different. People made a point to avoid "putting on the Ritz" so to speak in deference to those with little or no work. George used to recite the slogans of the day and one stuck with me;
Wear it thin
wear it out
patch it up
or go without
Wear it thin
wear it out
patch it up
or go without
2009-10-29 22:31:42
Not Over...
and I don't see how we can pull out of this, ever. Now that Almighty Fat US Govt amounts to our whole, lousy, pony show, the entire one trick amounts to coerced resource redistribution. More than an ordinary ten years' worth of US production has been thrown away, since Jan, '09, by our magical president & the magical democrats. The US's prospects have been trashed for at least the coming hundred years--and that assumes that the sheeple return to an honest monetary system & miniature govt, following the economic collapse this administration's mismanagement has now made unavoidable.
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