Five Things: The Eventual Upside of Risk Aversion

By Kevin Depew Jul 06, 2009 11:05 am
For States, the worst is yet to come, California issues IOUs -- and at least one person is profiting from it.
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NOTE: FIVE THINGS WILL RETURN MONDAY, JULY 20.

1. The (Eventual) Upside of Risk Aversion


They say four years is the equivalent of 1.2 days to a housefly. If you think about it, surviving 1.2 days is quite an accomplishment for a filthy creature known to carry more than 100 separate pathogens. Yet flies manage to live for nearly a month, mostly because they are fast moving and extremely difficult to chase down and kill... much like the cycle of credit in the economy. This is where we were four years ago:

Blank Generation, Minyanville, June 7, 2005:

"I belong to the blank generation and I can take it or leave it each time."
Richard Hell “Blank Generation”

"These blank checks arrive virtually every day. They arrive via email and priority mail. They arrive tucked between the pages of the Sunday newspaper, plastered to my car windshield, bannered across the Web sites I visit. Some of these blank checks are for that family vacation we didn’t save for, or that home improvement project I meant to tackle last year but couldn’t fit in the budget. Others are for computer equipment, home appliances or, ironically (and perhaps misleadingly), debt reduction.

Twenty years ago it was almost unheard of to have the kind of access to credit we have now. The New York Times, in its ongoing three-week series on class in America, observed recently that the barriers between classes have become blurred, making it more difficult to identify occupants of the lower, middle and upper classes. Whereas possessions, such as clothing, automobiles, watches, etc., used to act as class signifiers, it is becoming increasingly difficult to discern class based on possessions alone. According to the Times overview, “Factories in China and elsewhere churn out picture-taking cell-phones and other luxuries that are now affordable to almost everyone.”"


We've come a long way. When that article was written the personal savings rate was near zero and Americans were gorging themselves on easily available credit. It wasn't a matter of what we were piling up debt to acquire - the acquisition was secondary to the simple act of racking up debt itself. If you weren't borrowing, you weren't living. This was as true for the man on the street as for the pie-in-the-sky corporation where he worked.

That's grim stuff and reputations were made disseminating that viewpoint to anyone who would listen. But let's face it: few were. Very few. Now, four years later, a mere 1.2 days to a housefly, it's all anyone wants to hear.

But that's the last battle. We are nearing the point of recognition, and beyond that risk aversion is an upside. Personal savings as a percentage of disposable income is now safely above 5% and nearing the average of the past 50 years. It's a start. Meanwhile, bank credit is contracting at a 5% annual rate.

While that is evidence of the secular shift we're seeing in consumer behavior, and fuel for the ongoing deflationary debt unwind, it's a step in the bullish direction. We can't have it both ways. If the orgy of credit and non-productive consumption was bearish for the future in 2005, the return to more normalized consumer behavior, an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009.

2. Meanwhile, for the States, the Worst is Yet to Come

The toughest part to swallow about the potential bullish shift in consumer behavior is how much more difficult it's going to get on a local level first. Let's not look at this through the housefly's multiple 1.2-day-old lenses. The process of debt destruction and economic decline will have to run its course. And on the state and local level it is going to continue to deteriorate.

The Economist magazine recently ran a piece, “Happy New Year,” which put some numbers to the budget pain facing states across the country. According to the National Association of State Budget Officers, total state spending will drop for the second consecutive year and by the most in more than 30 years. At least 42 states have already slashed their budgets so far this year. Minaynville's Tal Pinchevsky recently looked at the bizarre ways states are trying to squeeze blood from a stone and ease growing budget woes.


3. How Bad Is It?


So how bad is it? Let's take a quick look at the worst case, California. The state will take the bizarre step of issuing IOU's while lawmakers squabble over the state budget. The IOU's will pay an interest rate of 3.75%. Who gets the IOU's? Thousands of businesses and individuals, covering everything from tax refunds that are owed to services and goods.

According to Bloomberg, Bank of America (BAC) said last week it would accept the IOU's from its customers through July 10. Wells Fargo (WFC), JPMorgan Chase (JPM) and Citigroup (C) said they will accept the IOU's (which go by the more fancy name "registered warrants") through July 10 as well.
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2009-07-06 12:48:40
Hyperinflation CA style
Kevin-

I started writing this note to you two weeks ago. Thought now was an appropriate time to send.

I just wanted to thank you for the wise counsel you provide those who have followed your writings. Usually correct, always informative and thought provoking.

I have been reading When Money Dies, the deflationary version, trying to piece together the components that lead to a hyperinflationary regime. I don't have any answers, but one fact struck me was the complete denial and failure of the political and economic leadership. No one in the Weimer political leadership or the economic leadership decried the inflationary choices that ultimately led to the hyperinflationary regime.

This has led me to take a more positive view as a whole of our country's current circumstance. A number of political and economic leaders are openly skeptical about the course we have embarked on, which says to me that we will pull back before we go over the edge.

But what really struck me was that California may be in real trouble. While it is true that the Californian Republicans seem focused on cutting spending, overall the government seems to be in complete denial. What is most interesting is the continued threat of using IOUs. What might happen if they do so. Vendors and suppliers to the state government, in desperate need to collect hard currency (ie $s) might start selling the IOUs, obviously at below face value. If a market in IOUs springs up, then Sacramento will be even less inclined to resolve the budget issue. Soon, more and more IOUs would be issued, with further downward pressure versus their face value. We could see hyperinflation within the U.S. but not in the dollar.

I feel for Californians, but only they have the power to stop this. From my perch (and I am an East Coaster for life), they need a new constitution first, to better align their politicians' interests with the people's interests. I am mildly hopeful. To steal an <a href="http://newsfrom1930.blogspot.com"> idea </a> from a blog I came across the other day: California's Austrian leader seems much more benign than the one that followed the Weimer's hyperinflation. Perhaps the Gubinator can knock some sense into the legislature.
2009-07-06 13:06:56
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"

What about debt? As unemployment rises and average work hours fall people not only will be forced to cut back on spending but also to, increasingly, live on credit.

Spending rose more than disposable income in May. Without government rebates, bailouts and tax credits where would savings and personal income be?

More than ever you need to read between the lines. Without the $250 checks to Social Security recipients and the 6% decline in payroll withholdings there would have been NO increase in personal 'income'.

Its all smoke and mirrors and hyperbole. People acknowledge that the government can't bail our everyone but when the largess stops the charade is over.

Unless you believe that we can all stop working and live on handouts from a bankrupt (morally and financially) government then how is any of this bullish?


2009-07-06 14:53:54
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
how can it be bullish? It's simple: time frame. I am not in the Dennis Kneale CNBC "recession is over" camp. The NBER may indeed two or three months declare the recession over, backdating it to today, but that's nothing but sterilized gibberish to people in the real world who are facing the perfect storm of too much debt, declining incomes and a cutback in traditional safety nets. It's not over... not by a long shot, and is really only now beginning. Remember, it took almost two full years for Wall Street's woes to trickle down to Main Street. That trickle is now about to become a flood. So, the point of that is I'm not trying to sugarcoat what is going to continue to be a worsening economic reality. What I want to point out, however, is that just as I was called "crazy" and accused of wearing "a tin foil hat" during the 2004-2007 runup... because, "look around, the market is disagreeing with you by going up," so too is the pessimism now too great on the downside.

Some people enjoy the act of building a congregation and converting the converted day in, day out, but that ain't me. I'm not a preacher. I don't want a congregation. I have my little platform here in the 'ville that hopefully is more of a conversation (like this one) than a platform, and I write what I believe and put my money where my mouth is. There's a nice little market out there for people who want to chronicle the decline and fall of the United States of Rome and preach against the sins of the fathers. From what I see, however, the truth is neither half as bad as what they say nor twice as good what they claim comes from the mouth of whatever effigial strawman is being burnt in their latest ceremony. It just is... and it will continue to be for long after we've been eaten by maggots and worms. Anyone who believes otherwise underestimates both the inexorable march of history and their own durability. The human mind can absorb innumerable horrors, gnaw on them for a while and spit them out as the Good ol' Days. So, yes, I'm longer-term bullish, but only because the time to be bullish is when things look awful, just as the time to be bearish was when things looked fantastic.
2009-07-06 15:30:34
Pepe !!
Stylish words, sir. Now, here I thought it took you several edits and re-writes to wax your style, and here y'are, as stylish as ever.. in a Comment ! You make it look easy.
2009-07-06 17:13:33
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
Pepe,

Great discussion. Regarding, "So, yes, I'm longer-term bullish, but only because the time to be bullish is when things look awful, just as the time to be bearish was when things looked fantastic."
This really begs the question, How does the largest debt bubble in history unwind?

1. The long "stealth depression" that you have described. A Japanese situation, or a repeat of the 1930s. The new normal is a weak limping along economy
2. The recession drags on and on, and the "Berries" have had enough, so they devalue the dollar (the "Nuclear Debt" option)
3. The debt bubble is reflated. I can't believe this one
4. The economy limps along, and then inflation is started in a few years by high oil prices, and demand from emerging economies (who do not have the debt). They start to sell amongst themselves.

All of these scenarios don't include a roaring bull market any time soon. Why sugar coat things for people? I think you are correct in that we may have to invest in foreign economies when things start to get better.

I wish we didn't do this to ourselves, but we did.
2009-07-06 17:29:04
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"

I'm sorry but I don't buy the "inexorable march of history", 'we've always done it before' indomitable American spirit argument. It strikes me as the kind of things people say when they've run out of actual defensible positions and refuse to acknowledge a reality that isn't pleasant for them.

This isn't a religion for me its just how I see it and, as with ALL my opinions and points of view, it is subject to change just as soon as I hear a better argument or explanation.

I grew up in the 50s and 60s and I saw first hand what hard work is and the kind of people who are capable of hiking up a country by its bootstraps. These were people like my parents and grandparents (probably like yours as well) that never knew any other kind of life but one of hard work and sacrifice. These people weren't too good to pick their own fruits and vegetables, milk their own cows, slaughter their own animals and clean their own restrooms. In many cases they treated their animals better than themselves because they represented their lives and livlihoods. They were fond of saying things like 'an honest days work for an honest days pay' and they hated bankers and credit almost as much as the government. Those people and that spirit is gone. Look around. Most Americans don't believe they can compete with the people of other countries without tarrifs and subsidies. Somewhere along the line people got fat, lazy and arrogant and came to expect that the government could always be counted on to 'fix' 'it'. All the government has to do is give this group or that a pile of money and it will solve all our problems...at least if its a group I belong to. The only thing we got really good at was creating debt...and we've created so much of it we've almost cornered the market.

So, no, I'm NOT longer-term bullish but I want to believe Kevin. I'm trying real hard to see where you're coming from but all I see is a father who doesn't want his little girl to grow up in a world that we've trashed. I'm sorry to tell you this, I really am, but wishing won't make it so and just because we've always worked things out before is not evidence we will do it this time. The government printing presses will grind to a halt and the world will stop loaning us more money (that everyone knows will never be repaid) and the minority of people left who still have a faint memory of a work ethic will rise up and rebuild this country someday but it won't be soon and sadly we, in all probability, won't be alive to see it or take part in it but when that day comes Americans will actually deserve to have a country of their own again instead of relying on the legacy of past generations like a population of spoiled trust fund babies.

D@mn if I don't kind of sound like a preacher but trust me, my eyes are open and I welcome any rebuttal becfause I want to believe too.

I just can't seem to get my mind right.




2009-07-06 17:51:24
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
The problem is that there is no catalyst--like a tax cut for business-- to propell a significant economic turnaround in our high tax, heavily regulated economy. Indeed, the major proposals du jour, cap and trade and national health care, will have a devastating effect on most businesses. When and if we got a moment of realization and the debate shifts, I will start to believe in the bullish case for the economy.
2009-07-06 18:10:03
David - What would it take for you to believe that things are bullish long term? What type of things would you expect to see?
2009-07-06 18:22:05
Future Foreign Investment?
Pepe,

I also think that the "Berries" approach to the problem is the real psychological problem

The correct approach would be to invest in new areas of growth, have a temporary stimulus, and actively re-structure the massive debt bubble. This would be the quicker and more prudent approach.
But we are getting the "kick the can down the road approach". And since people know it hasn't worked in the 1930s, or in Japan, there is the sense of a long road ahead.
I still think it is possible to "trade to invest", but this is not a familiar or easy road.
The USA has a lot going for it, but it needs to shake the debt monkey off of it's back ASAP.

If it is going to take a long time to fix, then I would personally be looking to investing in any economy that doesn't have a debt-monkey on its back. When they recover, I think they will boom (once they shift demand for goods away from the USA)
Also any Global American company could do well, as long as their USA divisions are not a large part of earnings

All opinion
2009-07-06 18:37:45
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
If you are making predictions based on probability you should feel safe because you are predicting the relatively numerous short cycles. Yes, a ball bounces. When it's down you make the claim that it will rise. When it's up you make the claim that it will fall. Chances are good that you will be correct enough of the time. I am positive, though, that you will also be wrong, and significantly wrong. Today's Japan is the arrival of bullish prediction at a time when its economy wasn't doing very well. You couldn't correctly say that because it's economy was down at a specific point it would be up five, ten or even twenty years later. I have been reading your recent articles with an understanding that you can't remain bearish even if you actually saw a long-term overall decline in the offing. Ultimately, staying bearish just wouldn't be good for the business you're in. I really don't buy that you're making a whole lot of money from your investments (putting your money where your mouth is) but rather I get the sense that you're making a living from your work at Minyanville. People just don't make money gambling. Maybe I just believe that you're smarter than you actually are.
2009-07-06 19:21:27
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
It has nothing to do with "being American," though there are untold people to whom that alone is some kind of refuge. I'm not one of them. It's more the case that I find it impossible to believe that the end of the world is night just because some people are going to lose some money. On the one hand, it's mere paper and it's worthless, we're told. On the other hand, if we don't have any of it we're doomed. But if we try to get more of it, we're doomed too. So let me put this together: we're screwed because we dont have any worthless money, no assets, no income and no ability to generate any for the forseeable future. Ok. And then what? Are 250 million people going to spend the next 50 years taking turns swindling each other out of their mock fortunes? Well, yes. I believe that is exactly what is going to happen. After all, we are Americans. And what we do best is figure out new and more clever ways of parting one another from money, whatever 'money" happens to be at any particular time. As it has been, so will it be.
2009-07-06 19:34:21
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
This is nothing short of assinine gibberish. Best I can tell you are sayings something about being both wrong and right a whole lot and writing things for the sake of some vague purpose that has to do with promoting a web site. Ok. that's a fine laundry list of accusations. I'll just leave it with this: I've never written a word I don't believe or taken a stance I don't fully support based on my own interpretation of macro evidence combined with DeMark indicators. I'm not writing to jack up some weird investment scheme or stock. You are free to believe whatever you want about me, but before you go off on some half-cocked rant attributing to me some over-arching cynical motivation rooted in pumping up a web site, try to find at least one fact to support it.
2009-07-06 21:39:10
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
You erased my simple previous simple and clear answer to this, Kevin. I understand.
2009-07-06 22:04:09
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
What's funny is how many people believe that somehow we're different than our ancestors and it's always for the worse. The current generation is alway lazier and more immoral than the last.

Of course, I meet people my age who are literally on a treadmill: get up, send the kiddos to daycare or school, work 10 hours day (counting commute), attempt to clean the house, and then do it all over again the next day. We've chosen to live as 1ish income family just to stay out of the insane work yourself to death lifestyle. And yet we don't have a work ethic as a generation because we don't bale hay or whatever. (I think it's clear that I don't have a work ethic. ...)

I remember reading that Socrates made a remark that was essentially to" kids these days are rude and lazy". If he's saying that in 400ish BC, I suspect assuming you are better/smarter/work harder than your kids is just a part of the human condition. In my case, of course, it will be true, but there's no accounting for other people. ;)
2009-07-06 22:30:07
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
No, it was an accident. I erased my reply and hit yours by accident. Your comment about Minyanville being a site about gambling and something about my not really gambling or whatever it was feel free to repost as many times as you like.
2009-07-06 22:32:26
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
I respect your response. I won't repost it.
2009-07-06 23:00:40
Two comments
1) The savings rate is artificially high because our government counts paying down debt as savings. What is the true percent that actual savings is up, if at all?

2) I read Tal's slide show. 9 of the 10 suggestions for the states involved legalizing Biblically sinful conduct, legalizing a drug, and legalizing or promoting gambling (with gambling winning the lion's share of the pie). Can't States come up with some good answers like cutting unnecessary patronage positions, eliminating cumbersome and mostly unnecesary bureaucracies, and getting back to doing only the Constitutionally-mandated duties they were assigned? Until that happens any recovery is a temporary facade because the nation has not learned that its old government-expanding inflationist fiat-currency-and-debt-paven ways are the road to ruin.
2009-07-06 23:08:24
to less gibberish
Kevin, I came here last year - I think it was around this time and maybe earlier. I liked your style of writing. The bleating of the goats, the depression that waits for you, etc. You had some great stuff going. I liked the theme of the crisis of the real. I keep coming back here because I'm looking for the edge that you had. I tell you straight that I don't think your writing is as good now as it was then. It may good for your audience but the writing itself, the holding, exciting power of it, is not as good. You really had some great stuff going when you were looking into hell. You seemed more in your own skin with that content. So, my guess has been that you had to sort of slowly shift from that toward bullishness because it may be better for attracting business, for attracting (yes, the gambling investing community) to the services you provide.
2009-07-06 23:09:09
The idiocy never ends
Let me get this straight. If bankrupt GM sells off its most profitable GM assets, won't that leave the remaining non-bankrupt non-GM GM bankrupt? If they could have sold off the profitable assets pre-bankruptcy and paid down their liabilities to 0 or had a surplus to spare, wouldn't that have been a hell of a lot better than the road they have taken? And the taxpayers are going to get their money back out of this process HOW?

GM reminds me of the parrot in the old Monty Python routine in which John Cleese tries to sell the dead, deceased, expired, etc., etc. parrot to Eric Idle. Pres. Obama makes a poor pet store employee.
2009-07-06 23:17:43
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
David,

The good people who eschewed bankers and debt and believed in an honest day's work for an honest day's pay must have been growing up in or were young grown-ups in something like this (probably the Great Depression) to have an understanding of what that actually means. In this case, the people that will be the parents and grandparents saying that in the future will probably be your daughter, my son and daughter, and others of their age group.
2009-07-07 00:56:37
bowing out
Look, Kevin, your stuff is not exactly free. In the least you need to attract a crowd for your paying advertisers. That's the point. What you were writing a year ago isn't exactly going to attract the paying customers that your paying advertisers may want to reach. I'm a good example of just who TD Ameritrade is NOT looking for. You need some folks with a little confidence in the future. Look, let's face it, staying bearish is not good for your position no matter how you slice it. I can see and understand that. I won't post anymore of my stuff on this comment board. I know tha I can be pretty inconsiderate.
2009-07-07 00:59:56
Great job Kevin...
Your writing is top shelf with no hidden agendas. Don't listen to the ankle biter.
2009-07-07 01:31:01
Missing the point ...
I read this article and didn't start placing market orders to buy across the board.How is this a positive (schill) article " for the advertisers"? California's IOUs got you pumped up? The thought is that at some point in the future , we will acknowledge that the current debt policy is unsustainable at best . Whatever sparks that realization and reversal ,investors need to be prepared to recognize it and act on it .There will be a small window (like 666 s&p) or timeframe to position for an enormous upside opportunity (maybe). Then again ,I pay nothing (currently) to Minyanville, I could be Kevin's schill.
2009-07-07 02:11:26
I get it
Kevin
I have posted before about witnessing the regional depression of the late 70's in the pacific northwest.
I consider Five things one of the must read portions of Minyanville. My perspective tells me that your long term bullish prediction is correct but. . . there are quite a few steps, from societal perspective, between here and there.
At the regional level my eyes were opened watching money, ever so slowly, stop circulating and the effect it had on institutions, businesses, all levels of local and state governments and most importantly people's perspective of who they were and what they were capable of. When that cycle had run it's course, then and only then did things hit bottom. And the bottom lasted for what seemed like forever as confidence in what was of real value was ferreted out, but in that bottoming process attitudes were forged and relationships were built that for me have lasted for decades.
I think if somehow the bubble is re-inflated by government or divine intervention, whatever lessons may have taken root will be lost quickly. I don't know the exact correlation a regional depression has with a national or international one but I believe when it is over, and I know with certainty that it will someday be over, because we are not going to un-invent genuine productive behavior or exchange of real value, the memories of the lean years will act as a positive motivating force for years (maybe decades) to come.
That does not mean that changes will not happen and that dislocations will not be great from the perspective of present values. If just means that a positive social mood will once again prevail.
2009-07-07 08:29:02
bowing out
Actually, and this is universal for financial sites, the highest traffic is produced when the market goes down, not up. That is less true for television, though I believe Fox and CNBC also recorded their highest viewership during the market's peak decline in the second half of 2008 and Q1 of this year. Without a doubt, that is why there are so many sites devoted to pushing bearish commentary day-in, day-out. At Minyanville we have never added a contributor to increase "balance" despite occasional pressure from readers to do so, nor will we ever add a contributor for that purpose in the future. But you know that. Whatever your agenda is in these pathetic attempts to cast aspersions on my motivations for writing commentary that isn't up to your "end is nigh" viewpoint, the truth speaks for itself. Good luck to you, JS.
2009-07-07 12:33:50
What's been fixed?

Brandon, thanks for the question. The short answer is a change in our structural imbalances, primarily our balance of trade deficit and current account deficit. The reason I say this is that at a fundamental level we need to sell at least as much (in dollar value) in goods and services to other countries as we buy from them. If we don't, they continue to get richer and we continue to get poorer.

However, on an even more basic level I would need to see a change in psychology. In Wisconsin (where I live) state workers were asked to forgo a scheduled 2% pay increase so that about 100,000 of their co-workers wouldn't need to be layed off. They said no. In California (which needs to raise taxers AND cut services) they had a referendum and the voters said 'we would rather not pay'. One of the things i hear most commonly is that if the government could give billions to the bankers then why not us. I'm sorry but the government is broke and its only getting broker.

I would need to see the return of the spirit of JFK: "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country".

We need to stop talking about the government 'fixing' healthcare, Social Security and our energy 'problem' and start telling the truth. The government (that's us folks) isn't a magic, bottomless money pit that can wave a wand and allow us to live forever, at the standard of living to which we've become accustomed, all the while driving SUVs and turning our thermostats up while opening the windows...cause d@ng it, we're Americans and if God's chosen people can't be arrogant gluttons well, who can?

I would need to see millions of low paying manufacturing jobs created that produce things that the rest of the world is willing and able to buy. They say that financial services is the grease for our economy. That may be so but you can't run an economy with more grease than machines! In fact the whole concept of a 'service economy' is a cruel hoax concocted by, and sold to, people looking for an easy way out. I would need to see Social Security and other social programs return to being the safety nets they were initially intended to be. That is, to keep people from dying of starvation in the streets not living in a comfortable home, going on cruises and eating steak whenever they like. It may sound harsh but for the vast majority of human history life has been a harsh struggle for survival for the masses. Only in the last 30+ years has it become an entitlement here in the American Empire.

You want to get really basic? I would need to see us at least begin to confront reality.




2009-07-07 13:06:19
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"

Kevin,

I have the utmost respect for your intelligence and insight. I've seen too many examples in your writing over the last couple of years to not take your point of view seriously. But (and you knew there would be a but), read history.

Whenever I bring this up people inevitablly exclaim: 'but things are different now'. Don't you think the people of the Greek or Roma or Ottoman empires felt the same?

I think that the human experience, based on a long term historical perspective is one of smaller bubbles wrapped inside of larger bubbles wrapped inside still larger bubbles like some sort of amazing fractal tapestry. If this is so the question then becomes, in this time period in which we are living, what is the size and nature of the bubble of the last 50 years.

If we could somehow distance ourselves from our own petty existences I think it would be clear. However, all of us (including myself) our creatures of our own experiences, hopes and delusions. I know I value truth and justice so I have asked myself repeatedly if while looking at the objective economic evidence I might not be projecting my desire for some reckoning, some balancing of the books so to speak, for the unfair and even indefensible difference between the standard of living I've enjoyed over my lifetime compared to how the other half of the world's population is forced to live. It could be all those misspent years in catechism or it could be that i'm just one of those people who wants to be told if I'm dying and don't want it sugar coated.

I also believe you can lower your standard of living while increasing your quality of life. When all is said and done the struggles may actually be more satisfying than the victories. So while I believe we are in for at least 30 years of hardship, if not bloodshed, I also believe that his time may provide much more meaning to our lives (for most of us) than the last 30 years of over consumption ever did.

Ultimately you are right...we will survive. If not as an empire well, that might be the best part of all. We really wern't very good at it.

2009-07-07 14:15:37
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
See, I think we are in violent agreement. The only issue may be one of time frame or semantics. I agree 100% with everything you wrote from here down:

"also believe you can lower your standard of living while increasing your quality of life. When all is said and done the struggles may actually be more satisfying than the victories. So while I believe we are in for at least 30 years of hardship, if not bloodshed, I also believe that his time may provide much more meaning to our lives (for most of us) than the last 30 years of over consumption ever did.

Ultimately you are right...we will survive. If not as an empire well, that might be the best part of all. We really wern't very good at it."

If the S&P 500 goes below 600 early in 2010, then it is more probable one will see a better return on capital by buying that move than by holding cash or Treasuries. Remember too, I have tried to be clear that I believe better relative investment opportunities will come from outside the U.S. I say semantics, above, because the fact that I am more bullish than bearish now on stocks is simply a function of price - getting closer to 600 - and time - now 9 years into a secular bear market that I believe began in 2000. That's now fully half the duration of the 1982-2000 secular bull. On a relative basis, longer-term I expect silver to outperform stocks, gold and Treasuries, but from sharply lower levels than where it is today.
2009-07-07 14:21:18
What's been fixed?
I totally agree. I would add to your list of woes the rampant lawlessness in the federal government. Talk about a game-changing wild card!
I cannot imagine the depth of stupidity one would have to have to invest one's savings in main street today. It is not a matter of being bearish. We have serious problems at the state and federal level that have terribly ugly consequences. I cannot see the other side of this.
2009-07-09 08:46:17
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
Kevin, your lack of clarity of just what this "time frame" is seems to be creating some confusion. The same people who believed that "bad news" makes Stocks go down are all now contrarians saying, like you (but on a shorter time frame), that the time to be bullish is when things look their worst. Ironically, like everything in Markets, in large degree third waves, and particularly a large "C" waves, which we seem to be in, the bad news and declining Equities occur together. And the "worst" is yet to be.Your welcome familiarity with Socionomics makes you aware of the fact that major Wars occur at the bottom of large "C" waves- the American Revolution, Civil and WWI being examples, as social mood reaches its nadir. So, while it makes sense to be Bullish at whatever level you think the low will come at, and S&P 200 or so is my tentative target, the social unrest (at the least) which would exist near that low will be good for no one, as you yourself have explained.
Maybe you can clarify why you would be Bullish now, when you see further damage ahead, as opposed to PREPARING to be bullish at the appropriate time. Clearly, just like every day of the Mania brought us closer to its end, while the participants in the mania only saw a receding horizon, every day now DOES bring us closer to the Bears end. Many of the Manias extremes have retreated, like the zero% savings rate, but like the dividend yield, these measures became so extended in this biggest credit bubble ever that they have merely retreated to levels which historically were seen at PEAKS. They have a long way to go even to get to where they were at Typical bottoms- and this one won't be typical.
Socionomics and wave theory indicate that, if we are correct on the scale of this decline,we should see P/E's reach record lows, dividend yields, volatility, and Junk spreads reach historic
highs. So, while an increase in the savings rate and in dividend yields is a step in this direction, a multi-year slog lies ahead- which you seem to agree with also. Just like the Bull remained overbought for years, this bear will remain oversold and "irrationally" so ie. companies selling for, yes, less than replacement cost. None of these outcomes are written in stone, but unfortunately may be written in something even more immune to "learning from the past", the Human Brain.
2009-07-10 11:41:36
"an increase in savings and reduction in borrowing, is bullish for the future in 2009"
Agreed.
2009-07-10 11:47:36
The idiocy never ends
The point was for GM to need the government and for the government to be the savior, the bank, the friend of the Unions.

They talk a good line about "gosh, we wish we didn't have to do this" but it's a smoke screen.

They believe in government ownership and control and don't believe in capitalism.

Bush and company as well, I was horribly dissapointed in that administration too.
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