Keep US in US Hands
By Charles Payne Sep 25, 2008 11:45 am
No bailout means more foreign ownership of America.
Yesterday, when New York Senator Charles Schumer suggested the rescue package start off with $100 billion to test the waters and to mitigate risks he suggested that a “piecemeal” approach made sense.
I looked at Ben Bernanke’s face and felt he was thinking “$700.0 billion is piecemeal: You would fall off your chair if we told you how much we might really need.”
I say that quasi-tongue-in-cheek, but the fact is I think the entire package could eventually cost up to $1 trillion. One aspect of the present situation few are willing to bring up is the fact that if we allow our largest banks to melt down, more than likely their new owners would be international investors. I try not to be xenophobic: I feel I this is a national security issue. If the bulk of money flowing through the US financial system is controlled from abroad it would mean the lost of sovereignty.
Then you will find your servant is your master
And you’ll be wrapped around my finger
You’ll be wrapped around your finger
- The Police
US and Foreign Cross Boarder Investment Trends
I know we’ve heard all of this before and the fact is foreign investments in the United States have been trending higher. I think global investment should be a two-way street but there is obvious concern when the industries in question are defense and financials: They are, after all, different than a beer company no matter how near and dear the latter may be to our hearts.

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Sure there are measures in place to limit ownership in our banks but the point is would we want all the banks to trade at multi-year lows with their very existence in question. Of course, there's the notion that no matter how much pain and suffering occurs, it's all for the long-term good of the nation. The thing is that most people that who feel that way don’t think they’ll be among those suffering.
On a related note, even with the weakening dollar, America has made more investments around the globe than have been made by the rest of the world into the United States.

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CRS Report for Congress
Coming into the week I thought there was a 95% chance of a rescue compromise by Friday but I think the possibility of a deal has dropped considerably. At this point we have to brace for the worst.
Ironically, it seems like the market may have come to grips with this reality, too. Interestingly enough, the market didn’t’ tumble, even with this obvious development.
Does this mean investors are willing to sit tight and see what happens without intervention? Last week it became clear to most (including me) that a deal had to happen ASAP. Now it doesn’t feel like Armageddon begins Friday at the opening bell. It may still happen, however. But it would be wild if somehow there was the (ultimate) head fake and the stock market didn’t plunge. Wistful thinking to be sure, but one has to wonder why there wasn’t a bigger selloff yesterday.
I guess professional bettors would still bet on a deal being cobbled together, although the mythical Friday deadline is in jeopardy. With that in mind, remember that investors wouldn’t be buyers so selling could snowball.
I’m still worried about Congress turning this rescue package into a personal soapbox to push agendas that could be addressed later. Everyone is on board with cutting executive pay, but the debate and vitriol over this issue underscores how misguided so many of our lawmakers are, even if they are only voicing the opinions of the people.
The bloodlust and desire to tar and feather anyone in a suit is worrisome. We are so busy dispensing mob justice that a lot of folks are forgetting the ground beneath their feet is bubbling with Chernobyl-like heat.
I looked at Ben Bernanke’s face and felt he was thinking “$700.0 billion is piecemeal: You would fall off your chair if we told you how much we might really need.”
I say that quasi-tongue-in-cheek, but the fact is I think the entire package could eventually cost up to $1 trillion. One aspect of the present situation few are willing to bring up is the fact that if we allow our largest banks to melt down, more than likely their new owners would be international investors. I try not to be xenophobic: I feel I this is a national security issue. If the bulk of money flowing through the US financial system is controlled from abroad it would mean the lost of sovereignty.Then you will find your servant is your master
And you’ll be wrapped around my finger
You’ll be wrapped around your finger
- The Police
US and Foreign Cross Boarder Investment Trends
I know we’ve heard all of this before and the fact is foreign investments in the United States have been trending higher. I think global investment should be a two-way street but there is obvious concern when the industries in question are defense and financials: They are, after all, different than a beer company no matter how near and dear the latter may be to our hearts.

Click to enlarge
Sure there are measures in place to limit ownership in our banks but the point is would we want all the banks to trade at multi-year lows with their very existence in question. Of course, there's the notion that no matter how much pain and suffering occurs, it's all for the long-term good of the nation. The thing is that most people that who feel that way don’t think they’ll be among those suffering.
On a related note, even with the weakening dollar, America has made more investments around the globe than have been made by the rest of the world into the United States.

Click to enlarge
CRS Report for Congress
Coming into the week I thought there was a 95% chance of a rescue compromise by Friday but I think the possibility of a deal has dropped considerably. At this point we have to brace for the worst.
Ironically, it seems like the market may have come to grips with this reality, too. Interestingly enough, the market didn’t’ tumble, even with this obvious development.
Does this mean investors are willing to sit tight and see what happens without intervention? Last week it became clear to most (including me) that a deal had to happen ASAP. Now it doesn’t feel like Armageddon begins Friday at the opening bell. It may still happen, however. But it would be wild if somehow there was the (ultimate) head fake and the stock market didn’t plunge. Wistful thinking to be sure, but one has to wonder why there wasn’t a bigger selloff yesterday.
I guess professional bettors would still bet on a deal being cobbled together, although the mythical Friday deadline is in jeopardy. With that in mind, remember that investors wouldn’t be buyers so selling could snowball.
I’m still worried about Congress turning this rescue package into a personal soapbox to push agendas that could be addressed later. Everyone is on board with cutting executive pay, but the debate and vitriol over this issue underscores how misguided so many of our lawmakers are, even if they are only voicing the opinions of the people.
The bloodlust and desire to tar and feather anyone in a suit is worrisome. We are so busy dispensing mob justice that a lot of folks are forgetting the ground beneath their feet is bubbling with Chernobyl-like heat.
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2008-09-25 11:50:17
US still investing overseas
Prof. Payne,
You raise an interesting point which had occurred to me - in this globalized economy, what assurance do we have that the banks we save via the bailout will lend in the United States? Can you imagine the wrath if we buy $50B of toxic securities from WAMU and they turn around and lend $40B to Chinese firms competing with American firms?
Capital will go where it makes the best return. Not where it is needed most. With the US economy in the doldrums, rescued banks may not invest a single penny in our economy, and we'll still have our depression, but the rest of the world will have another trillion dollars of our money with which to buy our assets.
You raise an interesting point which had occurred to me - in this globalized economy, what assurance do we have that the banks we save via the bailout will lend in the United States? Can you imagine the wrath if we buy $50B of toxic securities from WAMU and they turn around and lend $40B to Chinese firms competing with American firms?
Capital will go where it makes the best return. Not where it is needed most. With the US economy in the doldrums, rescued banks may not invest a single penny in our economy, and we'll still have our depression, but the rest of the world will have another trillion dollars of our money with which to buy our assets.
2008-09-25 11:58:29
US hands?
Hmm, I thought China and other countries owned most of the US already?
2008-09-25 12:20:55
Trickle up
It's no surprise that the Bush Paulson Bernanke Cox bailout is a trickle down approach – that's all those men have known in their lives. There is an alternative.
There are an estimated 3 million homeowners with negative home valuation (their mortgages are for more than their houses are now worth). The average home is worth 250K. So these mortgages have a total original value of 750 Billion dollars. Have Freddy and Fanny buy all these mortgages. Estimates of the value of such bad loans are about 50 cents on the dollar, so the cost to Freddy and Fanny is 375 Billion. Freddy and Fanny then sell these homes back to the original owners at this price. Those owners, of course, don't have the money – so Freddy and Fanny loan it to them. At a fixed 30 year rate.
Who wins? Homeowners. They get to keep their homes at 50% of what they originally paid – and less than 50% of their old monthly payments.
Who loses? The financial institutions that made the unrealistic loans in the first place. But they get a clean balance sheet, a cash infusion, and they get a market driven set of guidelines for making new loans. And the benefit of happier healthier richer homeowners will eventually trickle up to them.
Ultimate cost to taxpayers? Zero.
What to do with the rest of the 700 Billion dollars? Extend this program, as far as possible, to people who have already lost their homes through foreclosure.
This truly keeps the money in US hands without a bailout subsidy.
Ed Kyser
ebkyser@sbcglobal.net
It's no surprise that the Bush Paulson Bernanke Cox bailout is a trickle down approach – that's all those men have known in their lives. There is an alternative.
There are an estimated 3 million homeowners with negative home valuation (their mortgages are for more than their houses are now worth). The average home is worth 250K. So these mortgages have a total original value of 750 Billion dollars. Have Freddy and Fanny buy all these mortgages. Estimates of the value of such bad loans are about 50 cents on the dollar, so the cost to Freddy and Fanny is 375 Billion. Freddy and Fanny then sell these homes back to the original owners at this price. Those owners, of course, don't have the money – so Freddy and Fanny loan it to them. At a fixed 30 year rate.
Who wins? Homeowners. They get to keep their homes at 50% of what they originally paid – and less than 50% of their old monthly payments.
Who loses? The financial institutions that made the unrealistic loans in the first place. But they get a clean balance sheet, a cash infusion, and they get a market driven set of guidelines for making new loans. And the benefit of happier healthier richer homeowners will eventually trickle up to them.
Ultimate cost to taxpayers? Zero.
What to do with the rest of the 700 Billion dollars? Extend this program, as far as possible, to people who have already lost their homes through foreclosure.
This truly keeps the money in US hands without a bailout subsidy.
Ed Kyser
ebkyser@sbcglobal.net
2008-09-25 12:24:28
Bailout
Anything congress does will only make things worse in the long term. Government undertakings always backfire with catastrophic results.
2008-09-25 12:40:20
Ed..nice plan
But:
a) It is too simple and straightforward.
2) It would actually stop alot of the problems.
C) It would violate every neoliberal capitalist's paradigm.
Which of course raises three questions:
1) Why does this bailout plan have to be so murky--can it not stand the light of day like the truth would?
b) Perhaps, some of the powers that be really don't want to stop these problems.
3) Has trickle down b.s. been repudiated finally for the second time in the last 100 years?
a) It is too simple and straightforward.
2) It would actually stop alot of the problems.
C) It would violate every neoliberal capitalist's paradigm.
Which of course raises three questions:
1) Why does this bailout plan have to be so murky--can it not stand the light of day like the truth would?
b) Perhaps, some of the powers that be really don't want to stop these problems.
3) Has trickle down b.s. been repudiated finally for the second time in the last 100 years?
2008-09-25 12:49:07
what bothers me about my namesake's article here is...
Why does Chuck always go to such lengths to attempt to deflect the blame for these problems? Why can't he accept that the people responsible for this financial mess should actually suffer consequences for their actions, like we preach to our kids when they mess up? His whole theme seems to be don't blame the system and don't blame the individuals, so who is left to blame? I thought conservatives were for smaller government? Yet, we have the largest in history with debts spiralling out of control (certainly a misallocation of resources). If Chuck really wants to save the system, then he should be full force behind holding the individuals accountable and for having rules and for having them actually enforced (naked short selling anyone?). Probably and sadly, it can be argued that these individuals acted rationally and as most of us would in that situation--to take advantage of a system so out of whack for their personal advantage. The system needs to be fixed not just bailed out crisis by crisis.
2008-09-25 12:57:18
What credit crisis??
My mailbox continues to be flooded with ample credit lending opportunities in all forms... my son just received his 6.5% student loan late last week. I continue to get requests for more borrowing by tele and mail; mortgage loans out the ying-yang, a $50k Heloc opportunity in the mail yesterday from a commercial bank I don't even use (with 3.99% rates nonetheless (no prepay penalty, no front end load, etc., etc.), and I don't even own a home right now! Imagine that. Oh, the politics of fear...and the in-your-face-greed.
Lest anyone forget the motivation for greed in this bailout (And these figures don't include the hundreds of additional yes-men lackeys with huge (albeit smaller) salaries and fringes paid over the past 5 years. Where's the beef now? Tucked away nicely in these fatcat's pockets... hundreds of $billions: (AND yes, those are annual sallaries and stock options)
Lehman Brothers
2007 Richard Fuld $71,770,000
2006 Richard Fuld $62,323,679
2005 Richard Fuld $104,000,000
2004 Richard Fuld $35,300,000
Morgan Stanley
2007 John Mack $17,231,500
2006 John Mack $7,121,000
2005 John Mack $30,337,534
Goldman Sachs
2007 Lloyd Blankfein $43,100,000
2006 Lloyd Blankfein $43,500,000
2006 Henry Paulson $163,987,000
2005 Henry Paulson $3,963,422
2004 Henry Paulson $12,260,000
Bear Stearns
2006 James Cayne $32,100,000
2005 James Cayne $23,200,000
2004 James Cayne $19,700,000
Merrill Lynch
2007 John Thain $15,800,000
2007 E. Stanley O'Neal $161,584,000
2006 E. Stanley O'Neal $64,316,327
2005 E. Stanley O'Neal $17,920,000
2004 E. Stanley O'Neal $17,466,448
Washington Mutual
2007 Kerry K. Killinger $4,468,625
2006 Kerry K. Killinger $22,253,715
2005 Kerry K. Killinger $13,476,608
2004 Kerry K. Killinger $15,235,416
AIG
2007 Martin J. Sullivan $15,847,439
2006 Martin J. Sullivan $22,738,656
2005 Martin J. Sullivan $7,909,000
2004 "Hank" Greenberg $13,402,880
Fannie Mae
2007 Daniel Mudd $8,400,000
2006 Daniel Mudd $6,690,000
Freddie Mac
2007 Richard Syron $5,590,000
2006 Richard Syron $5,150,000
Lest anyone forget the motivation for greed in this bailout (And these figures don't include the hundreds of additional yes-men lackeys with huge (albeit smaller) salaries and fringes paid over the past 5 years. Where's the beef now? Tucked away nicely in these fatcat's pockets... hundreds of $billions: (AND yes, those are annual sallaries and stock options)
Lehman Brothers
2007 Richard Fuld $71,770,000
2006 Richard Fuld $62,323,679
2005 Richard Fuld $104,000,000
2004 Richard Fuld $35,300,000
Morgan Stanley
2007 John Mack $17,231,500
2006 John Mack $7,121,000
2005 John Mack $30,337,534
Goldman Sachs
2007 Lloyd Blankfein $43,100,000
2006 Lloyd Blankfein $43,500,000
2006 Henry Paulson $163,987,000
2005 Henry Paulson $3,963,422
2004 Henry Paulson $12,260,000
Bear Stearns
2006 James Cayne $32,100,000
2005 James Cayne $23,200,000
2004 James Cayne $19,700,000
Merrill Lynch
2007 John Thain $15,800,000
2007 E. Stanley O'Neal $161,584,000
2006 E. Stanley O'Neal $64,316,327
2005 E. Stanley O'Neal $17,920,000
2004 E. Stanley O'Neal $17,466,448
Washington Mutual
2007 Kerry K. Killinger $4,468,625
2006 Kerry K. Killinger $22,253,715
2005 Kerry K. Killinger $13,476,608
2004 Kerry K. Killinger $15,235,416
AIG
2007 Martin J. Sullivan $15,847,439
2006 Martin J. Sullivan $22,738,656
2005 Martin J. Sullivan $7,909,000
2004 "Hank" Greenberg $13,402,880
Fannie Mae
2007 Daniel Mudd $8,400,000
2006 Daniel Mudd $6,690,000
Freddie Mac
2007 Richard Syron $5,590,000
2006 Richard Syron $5,150,000
2008-09-25 13:17:40
my mistake
...that's salaries with one "L", unlike millions, billions, or trillions, with two "L's" and a whole lot of 0's.
Oh, and note our pal Henry Paulson in the list. Back-slappin but buddies with this cast of characters no doubt. And these Einsteins failed to meet their company's board of directors annual personal performance objectives for 2007 & 8! I hear them now, "Here's $700 million off the books, I know you'll get it right next time. Oh, and don't forget to donate to the Republican Party's campaign fund. We'll be needing lots of air-time to sell our trickle down success stories; that's expensive you know."
Sorry for the rant in this forum, but I feel better now. I am learning from my rock star CEO's to take what I can get while the gettings good.
Oh, and note our pal Henry Paulson in the list. Back-slappin but buddies with this cast of characters no doubt. And these Einsteins failed to meet their company's board of directors annual personal performance objectives for 2007 & 8! I hear them now, "Here's $700 million off the books, I know you'll get it right next time. Oh, and don't forget to donate to the Republican Party's campaign fund. We'll be needing lots of air-time to sell our trickle down success stories; that's expensive you know."
Sorry for the rant in this forum, but I feel better now. I am learning from my rock star CEO's to take what I can get while the gettings good.
2008-09-25 13:25:27
Those homes are too big
The problem with paying people to 'keep' their homes is that their homes are too big to maintain, too far from their jobs, and self-destructive psychologically.
Better to build 7 million NEW homes at 100,000 apiece with gardens and windmills for food and energy.
But, there's more.....
Better to build 7 million NEW homes at 100,000 apiece with gardens and windmills for food and energy.
But, there's more.....
2008-09-25 13:32:33
The Canary in the Silver Mine:
Such is this bailout. The 'crisis' is really just the silver dust cloud rising from the collapsed Perpetual Growth economy/democracy, yet we are going to collect the dust together one more time and give it to the mine owner in a gold box made from our melted down jewelry before everyone hitches a ride out of the bankrupt town to pick peaches in Californica, where the gub'mint has set up perfect little camps for everyone to live and work from.....
The dollar is dying this very minute. Even if the bailout passes, it is just a 'stay fast' measure: there is no real need for most of the 'stuff' or 'services' being invested in. Almost the entire growth model is based on getting people to buy junk they don't need to survive, while the high cost of petroleum has already motivated them to cut back and spend less. Destroying the dollar with this bailout is simply "throwing gasoline on the flames"...the exact words of the Congressional investigating committee in the 1930s.
See you all on the soup lines.
The dollar is dying this very minute. Even if the bailout passes, it is just a 'stay fast' measure: there is no real need for most of the 'stuff' or 'services' being invested in. Almost the entire growth model is based on getting people to buy junk they don't need to survive, while the high cost of petroleum has already motivated them to cut back and spend less. Destroying the dollar with this bailout is simply "throwing gasoline on the flames"...the exact words of the Congressional investigating committee in the 1930s.
See you all on the soup lines.
2008-09-25 20:17:05
LOL! Payne, $1 Trillion is "piecemeal"...
.. Many are saying more like $5 Trillion to do everything promised by the $700Billion Bailout... not including recent past and future golden parachutes...
.. Wasn't SLAVERY the ultimate trickle down economics...?
.. Wasn't SLAVERY the ultimate trickle down economics...?
2008-09-25 20:30:33
The Canary in the Silver Mine:
.. LOL! Lehman Bros. was the latest canary in the stock market showing us that the Bush Jr. administration has been ostriches with their heads in the sand not admitting the financial air has been rotten on Wall Street and in the USA economy for the past 8 years...
.. MELTDOWN of Bush Jr./McCain/Republican Party/USA Economy
.. .. No wonder McCain is afraid to debate Obama now! WHAT would he say? HOW could he defend himself and his party/president and their lies, stupidity, blunders, corruption, and 100% BAD FOR AMERICA policies against this? They're SUNK by having this total meltdown of the USA/WORLD economy because of their actions just before the BIG ELECTIONS! Last week Bush Jr. made a big deal in interviews of saying the USA has NO problems, this week he says the USA and WHOLE WORLD is in financial RUIN. His LIES have CAUGHT UP WITH HIM... and McCain...
.. Toddo's idea of getting rid of private DEBT caused by a small fascist rich/BushCo by foisting it off on the PUBLIC/TAXPAYERS and their children and grandchildren and greatgrandchildren and ... at 100 cents on the dollar is as STUPID an idea as any of BushCo's blunders so far... and trying to inflation the rest away also causes problems eventually as we now see...
.. Sorry, Toddo, but I take ABSOLUTELY NO "responsibility" for this financial ruin that BushCo has put the USA and WORLD into! I never voted for BushCo... I'm a Republican, but an 'Eisenhower Republican' and have always detested the corrupt Bush Wing of our party... they didn't like Eisenhower, either... Bush Sr. was passable and seemed to have a modicum of sense and decency, but Bush Jr. has always been a TOTAL LOSS... his main qualification for president was having bankrupted two companies his rich family gave him to run before he bankrupted the USA... what did his supporters/voters expect from him?
.. McCain's main qualification for president is having LOST at least TWO gov't issued expensive airplanes, 130 U.S. sailors DEAD in that process, being CAPTURED by the enemy, etc. ... marrying a rich heiress for her money and riding her skirts... trying to ride the skirts of the phony female housewife/governor of Alaska into the White House... what would you expect from HIM as president?
.. My Republican Party was DOOMED the day they let the Evangelicals take it over! The Roman Empire expanded until its gov't became infected with Christianity, then it DIED forever... same for the USA...
.. BushCo inherited a PEACEFUL, PROFITABLE, WIN WIN WIN USA with a BOOMING ECONOMY that had NO DEFICIT and was actually PAYING OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT and a SOARING STOCK MARKET from Pres. Clinton in 2000... DOW recently 11,700+, NASDAQ recently 5,700+... only took BushJr.Co lies, corruption, stupidity, blunders, Bad for America policies, de-regulation(Laisse Faire), exporting good paying jobs, etc. a mere 8 years to destroy it all...
.. BTW, I thought derivatives and arbitrage and Ponzi schemes were illegal for the rest of us...
.. MELTDOWN of Bush Jr./McCain/Republican Party/USA Economy
.. .. No wonder McCain is afraid to debate Obama now! WHAT would he say? HOW could he defend himself and his party/president and their lies, stupidity, blunders, corruption, and 100% BAD FOR AMERICA policies against this? They're SUNK by having this total meltdown of the USA/WORLD economy because of their actions just before the BIG ELECTIONS! Last week Bush Jr. made a big deal in interviews of saying the USA has NO problems, this week he says the USA and WHOLE WORLD is in financial RUIN. His LIES have CAUGHT UP WITH HIM... and McCain...
.. Toddo's idea of getting rid of private DEBT caused by a small fascist rich/BushCo by foisting it off on the PUBLIC/TAXPAYERS and their children and grandchildren and greatgrandchildren and ... at 100 cents on the dollar is as STUPID an idea as any of BushCo's blunders so far... and trying to inflation the rest away also causes problems eventually as we now see...
.. Sorry, Toddo, but I take ABSOLUTELY NO "responsibility" for this financial ruin that BushCo has put the USA and WORLD into! I never voted for BushCo... I'm a Republican, but an 'Eisenhower Republican' and have always detested the corrupt Bush Wing of our party... they didn't like Eisenhower, either... Bush Sr. was passable and seemed to have a modicum of sense and decency, but Bush Jr. has always been a TOTAL LOSS... his main qualification for president was having bankrupted two companies his rich family gave him to run before he bankrupted the USA... what did his supporters/voters expect from him?
.. McCain's main qualification for president is having LOST at least TWO gov't issued expensive airplanes, 130 U.S. sailors DEAD in that process, being CAPTURED by the enemy, etc. ... marrying a rich heiress for her money and riding her skirts... trying to ride the skirts of the phony female housewife/governor of Alaska into the White House... what would you expect from HIM as president?
.. My Republican Party was DOOMED the day they let the Evangelicals take it over! The Roman Empire expanded until its gov't became infected with Christianity, then it DIED forever... same for the USA...
.. BushCo inherited a PEACEFUL, PROFITABLE, WIN WIN WIN USA with a BOOMING ECONOMY that had NO DEFICIT and was actually PAYING OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT and a SOARING STOCK MARKET from Pres. Clinton in 2000... DOW recently 11,700+, NASDAQ recently 5,700+... only took BushJr.Co lies, corruption, stupidity, blunders, Bad for America policies, de-regulation(Laisse Faire), exporting good paying jobs, etc. a mere 8 years to destroy it all...
.. BTW, I thought derivatives and arbitrage and Ponzi schemes were illegal for the rest of us...
2008-09-26 00:40:58
more of the same
I think it is attitudes like your's that has got America into this parlous state. What you are saying is bail out all of the miscreants now and worry about giving them a slap on the wrist later. That's why these problems keep recurring and why this one is the daddy of them all.
2008-09-26 16:59:21
US still investing overseas
Dean, Japan dropped rates to 1% and the Chinese were the beneficiaries with the "yen carry" trade. You are wise to know that the money will go to the demand, not the need. That is at the heart of the discussion over oil and drilling. If a new U.S. well comes in, does the company sell it to the refiners at the current demand price, or do the conscientious thing and price the new oil at $20 per barrel because that is what we "need"? The does not get any air time on the networks, but the "drill now" crowd is blind to economic reality. "New Oil = Expensive Oil" Who in this country cannot see the simple truth and speak it clearly? Apparently, all of us like the simple lies more than the awkward truth. Walt.
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